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Monday, October 19, 2009

FS-ZE or KL-ZE Engines Which is Better?

Question Mark KLZE or FSZEIn my search for a suitable engine for my Mazda MX3 I encountered this essential question, what should I power the car with? There are many different engines that would easily fit into the MX3, but I only retained two that could make it to the race track. The two different engines are very different in mechanism and output, though put out very comparable performance in an autocross event.




The two engines are:
  • The J-Spec FS Series FS-ZE.
  • The J-Spec KL Series KL-ZE.

The J-Spec FS Series FS-ZE:
FSZE J-Spec Mazda MX3 Engine
This engine setup uses a 4 cylinder 16 valve 2.0L motor. It is only equipped in cars sold in the japanese domestic market. The FS-ZE and the whole FS series is based off the Mazda BP engine, it doesn't really have much similar features with the other F-Series engines. The FSZE series presents a serious problem for swapping, it doesn't share any parts (with some exceptions) with the stock 1.6L MX3 engine. This requires a lot of work, mainly rewiring the near 100 wires that connect the engine to the Engine Control Unit (ECU). Performance wise the FSZE is awesome because it combines a small 4 cylinder engine, into a turbocharger ready block. The engine is built so tough, that anyone can assume that the designers were expecting us to turbocharge it. This gives it a disadvantage in drag racing where "Turbo Lag" will make it accelerate slower than the KLZE. However, the turbocharger does allow it to gain a lot of power in an autocross event when revving high. The FSZE uses the VICS technology to give it an advantage over the traditional engine, the characteristics of this technology will be discussed later in this post. Swapping this engine is a major investment in time but there is only a very small number of these modified cars around (less than 100).

The J-Spec KL Series KL-ZE:
KLZE J-Spec Engine Mazda MX3
This engine setup uses a 6 cylinder 24 valve 2.5L motor. It is also only equipped in cars sold in the japanese domestic market. The KLZE follows the K-Series platform in almost all its features. A big majority of parts are interchangeable and swapping the engine is very simple. The swap with a 1.8L MX3 engine is very strait-forward, the ECU doesn't even have to be modified. The same transmission can be used, the main concern is that you cannot use the KLZE ignition distributor (without modification), you need the original 1.8L one. The KLZE will give better performance from a stop since it doesn't have any turbocharger. It will also dominate the FSZE stock as the KLZE produces 200 Horsepower (HP) compared to the FSZE which produces 170 HP. The KLZE uses the VRIS technology to give it an advantage over the traditional engine, the characteristics of this technology will be discussed later in this post. Overall, it is an easier swap but it is less unique than the FSZE.

Then Why Wouldn't You Just Turbochrge a KLZE to Get the Best Performance?
That's because the cylinder walls on the KLZE are very thin and wouldn't tolerate a high boost, and if they do it would significantly lower the life-span of the engine.

The F-Series VICS Technology:
This technology stands for Variable Initial Charge System (VICS). The system works by providing two air intake passages per cylinder. One passage is a thin and long, the other is short and fat. At lower RPMs the engine needs more pressure as little vacuum is produced by the engine, the thin and long tube serves that purpose. At higher RPMs the engine has plenty of vacuum but needs more air, thus the short and fat tube. The ECU determines when it is best to switch tubes. Typically this happens around 3500-3800 RPM.

The K-Series VRIS Technology:
This technology stands for Variable Resonance Induction System (VRIS). The computer determines the frequency at which the air resonates and opens the chamber tuned to that frequency. You will notice three plastic air chambers attached to the Intake Manifold and solenoids to engines equipped with VRIS. The VRIS objective is to lengthen the useable torque on the engine improving overall performance.

The Myth About Low-Milage Japanese Domestic Market (JDM) Engines:
There is no such law "requiring" engine replacement at a certain mileage. That is a urban myth propagated by importers and car owners who simply don't know or understand the situation in Japan. The high taxes (annually assessed), insurance premiums, gas costs, and especially the safety inspection/registration (occurs biennial) combine to keep turnover of vehicles high.
For example, the Safety inspection for your typical car (say Camry/Accord type) can typically cost $2,000....each time! New vehicles have a 3 year grace period before they are required to submit for the Safety Inspection. In other words, for a 10 year old car, you will have already paid over $8,000, in just Safety Inspection fees! Don't forget, gas over in Japan is also typically four times the cost of here in the U.S. Mileage is kept low on the vehicles as EVERYONE (unless your fabulously rich and patient) uses alternative transportation to get around. Most folks use the trains for local and medium distance traveling/commuting.

To conclude, I don't believe there is any hands down winner for a competition engine. My advice is to go for the FSZE if you are willing to put the time to get it to work, you'll have a unique result and excellent performance. The KLZE is a much easier and cheaper swap but doesn't offer the best performance in an autocross event. The ideal would be to go for a Turbocharged KLZE but you have to be prepared to rebuild it often.

Keep reading for future posts!

27 comments:

  1. this was pretty informative. do u think the swap info goes for a second gen mx6 also?

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  2. It all depends which year you have. The second generation MX-6 was from 1992-97 though in 1995, the OBD-II system arrived and that changes everything. The OBD-II system uses a globalized and standardized approach to sensor reporting and ECU style. The problem is that it wasn't designed to be tinkered in, and it makes modding so much harder. If you have an OBD-II car, you can do any swap, it'll just be harder. But the KLZE comes from the MX-6 and it is shipped like that from the factory in Japan.

    My final advice is you should go with KLZE since it was made to fit in the MX-6, look at the forums like MX6.com and you should find plenty of information.

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  3. Can you turbocharged KL-DE without having to rebuild it every year. I was thinking that there's not much of a difference between KL-DE and KL-ZE other than some major component parts and the compression. Also how many horses can you squeeze out of KL-DE? By the way, this post was also very informative, thanks.

    Tony

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  4. Depends... The more strain you put on an engine the faster it will give away. Some cars come with OEM turbos do just fine. It's that the turbo is matched to the car and does not overwork the engine. The big problem with putting a turbo in a KL class engine is that the cylinder walls are very thin and the compression (especially in the KLZEs) is very high. A turbo would not only oblidge you to rebuild it often but it risks damaging the block if you put too much boost. My suggestion is the stay with the natural intake for those engines. Like I said in my post, go for the FSZE if you want to put a turbo, u'll get more performance and reliability.

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  5. hey i have a mx3 1995 which one is better for more acc and speed and with can i swap my egine in canada and how much wout it cost

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  6. Like it says in the post the FS-ZE would be better for performance but requires a lot more investment and is much harder to find. How much does it cost is a very hard question to answer. It's like asking how much does it cost for a house for 2 people. Alot of factors reflect the total price. I bought my KLZE and transmission for 1190$ with shipping and could of just swapped it with no further modification. However to get decent performance some investment is required like better pistons, get the block decked (if it needs to), a cylinder overbore (recommended), better camshaft, etc. The best thing to do is start by reading the posts I have on the KLZE, get your hands on an engine and transmission, and get your parts and modifications before you swap it in. It's not a bring your keys to the garage and tell them to swap a FS-ZE or KLZE in it. Such a request from a garage could cost you easily 10000$.

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  7. Hi. I am thinking of doing an engine swap with my mazda 323 BG. My options are BP 1.8L non-turbo and FS-ZE. Which has more potential? I believe BP will be an easy swap also. But I like the 170hp of the FS-ZE, plus the parts availability here in our country.

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  8. i live in sonora,mexico i have a mx6, last november i broke my engine, i need a new engine i think is FS20 but i do not now i need help with the swap

    where you live ? the question is for NORC
    but you say, in you country have more engine? thanks for the help i stay you answer

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  9. Will the fsze fit on a mazda mx3 1.6L 4cyl 1992 or do you have to replace the mounts and ect.

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  10. The FSZE will will fit in the engine bay for sure but I'm not sure about the mounts. You say have to do a little bit of modifications, but they'll be worth it! The FSZE swap into an MX3 is very rare, you'll be one of the few to have ever done it!

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  11. what about FSZE on a 323 BG?

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  12. Dont know about the 323... You can pretty much put any engine in any car as long as it fits in the engine bay. The problem is when you have to swap out the wiring harness or make transmission adapters. If you can't get the transmission to bolt on to your new engine, then you are in for a complicated ride. The best candidate for the FSZE engine is the Mazda Protégé which has the FSZE engine installed for the J-Spec version. It is therefore easier to find parts for it. The MX3 is also a candidate for the FSZE swap as the Ford Probe and MX6 are

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  13. okay. I can get a complete engine,tranny,ecu for the swap to 323BG...but i think i have to change axles as well....

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  14. You might, depending on how the transmission lines up. I wouldn't worry about that now though. Mount the engine and tranny and get the engine to run and the gears to shift properly and then go about doing the axels. Without axels, your 323 works perfectly, it's just that the wheels aren't connected to the tranny... And you'll have your hands full on getting all the sensors and wiring to works, axels are not to worry about for now....

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  15. thanks. anything more to consider for the swap? anything that might change (e.g. tachometer since FSZE is distributor-less), etc....

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  16. btw, what abount FSZE vs BPT for 323BG?

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  17. Don't know much on the swap because I never did one or saw one, sadly... For the tach output don't worry instead of getting it's signal from the camshaft sensor inside the distributor it'll get it somewhere else, you just have to find it and hook it up... If there is a separate camshaft sensor hook it up there or something, just remember that you need a 1000ohm resistor to connect it to the tach or you will blow it up! Look at the '' http://mazdamx3klze.blogspot.com/2010/09/hei-and-external-coil-mod-distributor.html '' post, in there I moved the tack to connect of my main coil ''-''. The FSZE is different, but still might give you ideas...

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  18. thanks buddy.

    Any performance comments for FS-ZE? i'd like to use it for occassional drag and circuit events...

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  19. Like I said before, don't know much about the FS-ZE, if you did some research of your own, then you probably know more than me...

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  20. Does anyone know how much the F and K series engines weigh?

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  21. I looked around and found that jdmengineworld.com puts their KLZE shipping weight at 325 lbs. This number is about right because I was able to lift the whole engine off the ground and into a trailer with the help of a friend... However I don't know the weight of the original. Overall the KLZE is a little bigger than the K8 1.8 V6 engine so I estimate the stock engine to be around 275lbs.... I don't know anything about the F series though. Look around at places that sell them, they should know how much their engines weigh... Hope this helps!

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  22. I have a 93 mx-3/ 1.6. Can I for sure put a KLZE 2.5 in it?

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  23. Of course you can, there might some minor changes but overall its still OBDI technology so you should be fine...

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  24. Thank you. I pretty much gathered a lot of information here. Thanks to everyone for all their opinions.

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  25. ok, here is a dumb question,,is a engine swap in a 1994 mx3 doable by the layman?

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